What would the founding fathers and Rushmore presidents be thinking as the USA makes it to a 250 year anniversary with nary a mention of the Declaration of Independence?
Of the illustrious five, Abraham Lincoln would undoubtedly have been the most hostile to the present grifting, anti-democratic White House.
To start at the beginning:
Thomas Jefferson Born 13 April 1743 Virginia, no birth time. He was a Sun Aries in a reforming, freedom-loving square to Uranus in Capricorn. His Sun was in a dynamic and sensible trine to Mars and Saturn in Leo and possibly trine an Aries Moon for an inspirational Fire Grand Trine. With an intense Pluto opposition Venus square Mars in Leo.
His Cardinal Sun square Uranus will be under discouraging tr Saturn hard aspects in 2027; with his cherished dream from Neptune in Cancer sagging this year with Saturn in square. Plus tr Uranus upending his Saturn Jupiter through the winter and this year, will be unnerving.
DT’s Mars in Leo clashes badly with TJ’s Saturn and DT’s Pluto with TJ’s Mars for a hostile chemistry. With DT’s Saturn Venus opposing TJ’s Uranus and square his Sun – chilly in the extreme. Their relationship chart has a differing-agenda composite Sun square Uranus.
George Washington, 22 February 1732 10 am Viginia, a freedom-loving Sun Pisces square Uranus; with Uranus in an inventive opposition to Neptune, a determined Mars in Scorpio and a super-confident Jupiter Pluto conjunction. His ‘ghost’ chart is edgy and unnerved at the moment.
His Mars clashes with DT’s Mars and his Mercury in Aquarius opposes DT’s behind-the-scenes power game 12th house Pluto. DT’s Uranus also triggers his Neptune.
Benjamin Franklin, 17 January 1706 10.30 Am Boston, MA, was a Capricorn Sun in an expansive opposition to Jupiter; with an inspirational, ambitious and determined Fire Grand Trine of Mars in Sagittarius trine Neptune trine Pluto. His Saturn in Taurus is on the focal point of a Fixed T Square to Mercury opposition Uranus – giving him executive ability and a reforming streak.
His Mars in Sagittarius clashes with DT’s Gemini Sun Uranus and Moon. DT’s Saturn Venus in Cancer clashes with his Sun opposition Jupiter for a depressing effect.
Abraham Lincoln, 12 February 1809 6.54 am Kentucky, was a Sun Aquarius trine Mars in Libra with a late Capricorn Moon and a hope-for-a-better-society Saturn Neptune conjunction. That last is being upended at the moment by tr Uranus opposition Saturn this year and Neptune in 2027. His Aquarius Sun clashes with DT’s bombastic Mars in Leo; and his Capricorn Moon and Mars in Libra collides with DT’s Venus Saturn conjunction. His Pluto is in an unbudgeable square to DT’s Mars.
The relationship chart with DT is toxic and hostile with a composite Saturn Mars trine Pluto.
Franklin D Roosevelt, 30 January 1882 8.45pm New York, a Sun Venus in Aquarius with a stellium in earthy Taurus – with hope-for-a-better-society Saturn Neptune conjunct an idealistic Neptune and a late Pluto in Taurus. With Mercury in late Aquarius in a straight-speaking trine to Mars in Gemini. His chart looks more pressured in 2027 though the past year will also have caused unease with tr Saturn Neptune square his Mars through last winter.
His Sun Venus square Saturn Neptune clashes with DT’s 12th house Pluto; and his Uranus with DT’s Full Moon Uranus – at cross purposes.
Odd thoughts – Trump’s 12th house Pluto, hinting at nefarious deals out of sight, understandably sets up various clashes above, as does his narcissistic and blowhard Mars in Leo. But I am intrigued by his Venus Saturn conjunct in Cancer also causing friction. The standard meanings are of an emotional woundedness, feeling unloved, escaping into sexual overdrive to escape feelings, but beyond that there seems to be another meaning that escapes me.
Furhter thought: Saturn in the 11th in negative mode uses friends and others (11th house equals society at large) for reasons of personal gain – he’s un-empathic (cold hearted) and a user of people and position.
His Saturn is badly aspected on midpoints – being conjunct his Mars/Uranus = lacks adaptability, tendency to use force to effect separations.
Saturn conjunct Mars/Node = fractious team relationships, quarrelsome.
Saturn conjunct Sun/Mars = difficulties in career, pessimism.
Saturn conjunct Mercury/Pluto – quarrelsome.
Plus a brutal and ruthless Pluto conjunct his Mars/Saturn midpoint.
Not the founding fathers’ kind of guy.
Also the natal Uranus aspects above in the early reformers appears to work in a different way to Trump’s defiant, lawless, careless of convention Uranus.
Overall the founding fathers and later notables must be looking askance at cage fighting on the lawn which is the least of the woes at present but fairly representative of the crass state of affairs.
Thomas Jefferson quotes:
“We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal… Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.”
“Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost.”
“When angry, count ten before you speak; if very angry, a hundred.”
“I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country.”
“Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom.”
“Nothing gives one person so much advantage over another as to remain always cool and unruffled under all circumstances.”
“A Bill of Rights is what the people are entitled to against every government, and what no just government should refuse, or rest on inference.”
“Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.”
If Democrats succeed in taking over the House and make gains in the Senate, then they can stall Trump until the end of his term. I live in Trump country (bright red Tennessee), and yet there was not the fan fare you would expect for the supposedly ultra conservative area. Few decorations and fewer flags. Many celebrations scaled back due to weather and budget restrictions. Basically, various signs that MAGA should feel they won and yet know they haven’t.
I have no delusions that the Democrats can impeach Trump. Our country is simply afraid to take that step. Even if Trump is shown to rape little girls, there is simply no way it will happen because too many people don’t see girls as human beings and will always back Trump because they want to “own the libs”. But I have hopes that if the Democrats can win the House, then they can put Trump through hell for the next two years and make his life as miserable as he has made us miserable. All they need to do is limit him. We can’t ask for more than that. Based on past predictions on this site, I believe this will come to pass. It took 6 years for the War of Independence to be won (1776-1781). I believe it will take the same amount of time to save our country from the road it is currently on.
Trump’s second presidency coincides with the transit of Uranus into Gemini. Trump (Sun-Uranus) is Uranus just as Keir Starmer (a Sun-Pluto) is Pluto whose ministership coincided with the transit of Pluto into Aquarius.
That Uranian character is the air trails that spiral off a flying plane (the myth of the Sun as a chariot). That is the nature of Uranus a whirling and yet fixed path.
Trump’s important Gemini Sun-Uranus-north node (10h) is conjunct the USA Mars (7h) opposed by Trump’s south node-Moon. Trump Presidency (his 10h) is directly linked to the USA as the nation in partnership (USA 7h). in short hand, the USA-President Trump is a Venus-Saturn element itself. But the underlying character of that aspect is the USA Mars and Trump Uranus.
On the semiquincentennial, the transit Gemini Mars was conjunct Gemini Uranus. There were symbols galore of the American military and Revolutionary flags, reenactments, readings of the Declaration of Independence. Even JusT&T Married. Swift as Uranus and Kelce as Mars.
The theme echos again Trump’s Venus-Saturn is conjunct the USA rx Mercury. When it comes to American media this tells the tale. It is why he is President and it lies behind the pain the media feel at the loss of control. The USA Cancer rx Mercury (8h) is a powerful one. It directly rules the Gemini Mars (what stirs the nation) and Gemini Uranus (the revolutionary ideals of the nation). It goes deeper. USA homes have Aries Chiron and the Aries zodiac sign. Americans are represented by the Aquarius Moon in the 3h. Usually, American media controls the actions and ideals of the nation.
As Commander in Chief, Trump (Sun-Uranus-nn) is conjunct the Gemini Mars directly. Trump also has his own Venus-Saturn on the USA Mercury and he is the Gemini Uranus in the USA chart. Even the wrestling on the lawn is a good symbol, this certainly has not been a easy conjunction but a wrestling conjunction might be a better description of what is occurring.
The symbols are pretty clear right now. Trump is Uranus in the USA chart and the Presidency is the Venus-Saturn (11h) in his chart.
It is Theodore Roosevelt on Rushmore not Franklin.
Materialistic saturn with luxurious Venus in money sign cancer or home in 11h of wishes n friends and hope and fame…no doubt his insatiable hunger for land of all world as his home near relentless mining pluto bottomless with endless mars energy for hidden dreams as mars becomes double as it touches earth n here,more power more he wants
Hello Marjorie, re Trump and his Venus conj Saturn in Cancer in the 11th house, as well as his Moon in Sag inconjunct Saturn and Venus would suggest feelings of inferiority from a young age, especially if the females surrounding him did not give in to him as he was growing up – this would result in him being stunted emotionally if he was not able to integrate these feelings into his adult life – resulting in a wish to ‘get back’ at those who got in his way with his Pluto and Mars in the 12th house, in Leo (must be the king of every castle he was involved with).
Mars in the 12th would give a wish to destroy any who questioned him and tried to stop him getting his own way. Pluto would suggest a 12th house playing out of his personal karma as part of his soul contract. Sorry if this probably sounds like a very simplistic and basic definition of these few placings in his chart
I feel connected today with one of the founding members. George Washington. As my father (born in 1906 was in his late 40’s when I was born) was his sixth cousin according to one genealogy site. They clearly gave me the family tree link. It stands to reason, as I have many American cousins in Virginia and many other states.
Trump saturn Venus is seeking security. I think the 2 assassination attempts that we knew further fortified the thought of external security, which is leading to the prosperity of the Military and Defense companies and their stocks price.
Venus Saturn in Cancer may be someone who finds it difficult to care – who builds up such an indulgent carapace around themselves for security that they trap themselves in.
True. Same for Moon and Saturn in Cancer or North Node in Cancer. Somtimes caring responsibilitiess are imposed on these natives e.g. forced to care for an immediate family member long term (e.g. child or elderly parent) .